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Who’s In/Who’s Out for the 3/13/23 FHSAA Release

Written by Lee Roggenburg on . Posted in , , .

Sorry it has taken this long for an update, and tomorrow will see a new set of rankings, but better late than never . . .

What you will see is four regions, with Boys 1A and 2A, and Girls 1A and 2A in each section for that region. The rules in place for the FHSAA this year are different than last year. This year, the District winners are NOT guaranteed a Top 4 seed in a region. There will be 8 teams in each region and each District winner is only guaranteed a slot in the 8 teams. If a District winner is 8th-ranked in the Top 8, that is where they will be placed. What doesn’t change for that is that if they are matched up with a non-district winner in Round One, they will get the home game. We’ll point that out in the spreadsheet where it appears. But also note that the FHSAA does have final say over a location for a game, so they do have the power to move a location if they deem it in the best interest of the matchup. And example might be if the distance between the schools is so big that a neutral site makes sense, but they will only do this in unusual circumstances, so assume the home game will be as slotted.

After the first round, re-seeding occurs and the top team in the matchup gets the home game. Finally, in the Final Four, we will get the #1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3 matchup.

The FHSAA publishes the rankings on their website under the Rankings (B) and Rankings (G) tabs, and those can be reconfigured and sorted. That is how we do these brackets.

For the purpose of these ‘prediction brackets’, we assume the highest ranked team in each District is the winner of the District. It’s just a starting point, so don’t fret for now. We found last year that Won/loss record tended to work early and as the season went on, Strength of Schedule played more and more of a factor. It’s fair to say that the MaxPreps data is most of the calculation, but please note that MaxPreps is NOT a full national database, since many ‘power’ programs do not bother with it. So you will not see a St. Thomas/Boys’ Latin score impact the ranking of St. Thomas much, if at all.

Which means, to those of you who have not heard FLN talk about this before . . . Do Not Take MaxPreps National Rankings seriously if you are broadcasting or reporting on a game. We are WAY ahead of other states in scheduling games and some states have not played a game yet, including many of the Northeast power programs. And many DO NOT PARTICIPATE anyhow. Just use the MaxPreps stats for Florida comparisons ONLY.

If you are among the First Four Out, you can check where you are compared to the last team in. So, when you look at Region 1, Girls 2A, you will see a team at #8 with a ranking of 30, while another team, the first team out, is at 32. That gives you an idea of how close you are to making the Bracket.

To read the First Four Out, the first row of numbers are where they stand in the FHSAA ranking, while the next four numbers are where Laxnumbers has them. Obviously, there are some real differences between the two, and that gets to how much more Laxnumbers uses Strength of Schedule early in the process.

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Region 1 –

Projected Regional rankings if the current rankings are assumed to produce the District champs and 4 At-Large Bids

FHSAA Rankings for 03/13/23
Region 1Comparison in ClassComparison in Class
Boys 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #FHSAALaxNumbFHSAALaxNumb
#1Bolles4#8Paxon4225564
#2Oak Hall3#7South Walton28124241
#3Pensacola Catholic1#6Trinity Catholic316253950
#4Episcopal School4#5Providence421263730
First Four Out:  West Florida (1), Tocoi Creek (3), Menendez (3), Maclay (2)58/59/60/6456/53/36/59
Boys 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Lake Mary4#8Bartram Trail211207
#2Ponte Vedra2#7Leon1221830
#3Creekside2#6Niceville110201726
#4St Augustine3#5Lake Brantley414361518
First Four Out:  Nease (2), Gulf Breeze (1), Forest (3), Oviedo (4)23/24/26/299/35/21/19
Girls 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Ponte Vedra3#8Tocoi Creek3333135
#2St Augustine3#7Wolfson2762838
#3Episcopal2#6Oak Hall4942213
#4Bolles2#5Pensacola Catholic112201811
First Four Out:  Santa Fe (4), Fleming Island (3), Seacoast Collegiate (1), South Walton (1)37/38/42/5061/32/58/34
Girls 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Bartram Trail3#8Lake Mary421297
#2Lake Brantley4#7Gulf Breeze16112822
#3Oviedo4#6Fletcher211102725
#4Creekside3#5Niceville125172631
First Four Out:   Apopka (4), Atlantic Coast (2), Buchholz (3), Nease (2)33/34/35/4341/80/28/45

When you look at Region 1, you’ll see some interesting differences.

The biggest disagreement on 1A Boys is Menendez (60 vs 36). Third team out, but has only to rise 6 spots to edge past Paxon. In 2A Boys, Creekside and Bartram Trail are head scratchers, and how Nease is not in the bracket is a serious mistake. There’s still a lot of fluidity to Girls 1A, as all 12 teams, including first 4 out, are capable of making the bracket. There’s also a huge difference in the Lake Mary Girls, #8 seed versus #7 IN THE STATE in 2A according to Laxnumbers.

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Region 2

Projected Regional rankings if the current rankings are assumed to produce the District champs and 4 At-Large Bids

FHSAA Rankings for 03/13/23
Region 2Comparison in ClassComparison in Class
Boys 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #FHSAALaxNumbFHSAALaxNumb
#1Lake Highland5#8Lake Wales6343646
#2Benjamin8#7West Shore7432631
#3Holy Trinity7#6Pine School8682035
#4St. Edward’s8#5Montverde5971814
First Four Out: Cocoa Beach (7), Trinity Prep (5), Bishop Moore (5), Jensen Beach (8)31/32/34/4444/39/24/33
Boys 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Winter Park6#8Timber Creek6433927
#2Lake Howell6#7Lake Nona77222833
#3Viera8#6Windermere58132116
#4West Orange5#5Vero Beach816311914
First Four Out:   Melbourne (8), Dr. Phillips (7), Olympia (7), Lake Minneola (5)40/44/53/5947/66/58/48
Girls 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Lake Highland7#8Lake Wales6224040
#2First Academy7#7Horizon621173544
#3Edgewood8#6Satellite823222736
#4Berkeley Prep5#5Bishop Moore72425265
First Four Out:  Cypress Creek (5), River Ridge (5), Tampa Catholic (5), Holy Trinity (8)43/48/53/5548/53/52/62
Girls 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Vero Beach8#8Sebastian River8162142
#2Hagerty5#7West Orange6322027
#3Viera8#6Lake Minneola6791719
#4Windermere6#5Celebration712231618
First Four Out:   Boone (5), Lake Howell (5), Timber Creek (5), Edgewater (5)24/36/38/3938/20/40/53

In Region 2, there’s less differences to point out.

In 1A Boys, the fact that Lake Wales is projected to win a District as an 8-seed means right now we are looking at 1-7 only. FHSAA rankings have the first 3 teams out as very closely bunched, while Bishop Moore (3rd team out) would be at the 6th seed with Laxnumbers.

I frankly can’t figure out how Lake Howell is the #2 seed right now in Boys 2A. They are having a nice season, but they are not at #7 in the state in 2A. There is general agreement on the first four out, so right now it’s looking like jockeying for seeding more than who makes the bracket. Melbourne could jump Timber Creek, but TC is much higher ranked by Laxnumbers. As of now, Lake Nona is a 7-seed as a district winner.

In Girls 1A, Bishop Moore is the wild card, as there’s a huge difference in ranking (26 vs 5). It’s only about seeding, since the FHSAA has a 5-seed for them right now, while Laxnumbers would have them at #2.

In Girls 2A, it looks like Lake Howell and Sebastian River are fighting for the last slot, pending other games.

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Region 3

Projected Regional rankings if the current rankings are assumed to produce the District champs and 4 At-Large Bids

FHSAA Rankings for 3/13/23
Region 3Comparison in ClassComparison in Class
Boys 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #FHSAALaxNumbFHSAALaxNumb
#1Community School12#8Barron Collier12553038
#2Jesuit9#7Osceola101062543
#3Cardinal Mooney11#6Calv Christian Clear1011102329
#4Bishop Verot12#5St. Stephen’s111219139
First Four Out: Canterbury (12), Northeast (10), Tampa Prep (9), Estero (12)33/35/45/4721/58/66/61
Boys 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Gulf Coast12#8Riverdale129153476
#2Steinbrenner10#7Alonso111183228
#3Mitchell10#6Newsome912112723
#4Lakeland9#5Plant91337256
First Four Out:  Riverview (12), Wiregrass Ranch (10), Fort Myers (12), Palm Harbor (11)35/38/42/4541/42/71/49
Girls 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1St. Stephen’s10#8Lely12683668
#2Barron Collier12#7Calv Christ Clear913183037
#3Acad Holy Names9#6Bishop Verot1115272950
#4St Petersburg Cath10#5Community School1217332014
First Four Out:  Northeast (9), Cardinal Mooney (10), Cape Coral (11), Canterbury (11)38/41/44/4766/56/89/80
Girls 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Steinbrenner9#8Manatee11542315
#2Newsome10#7Mitchell9832237
#3Gulf Coast12#6Riverview1110141913
#4Plant10#5Lakewood Ranch111381835
First Four Out:   Sickles (10), Palm Harbor (10), Sunlake (9), Bloomingdale (10)30/31/41/4730/33/44/49

In Region 3, we have some interesting takes by both ranking approaches.

First thing that jumps out is that Community School holds the #1 seed over Jesuit in the FHSAA (5 vs 10), while even Laxnumbers has it 5 vs 6. Let’s see if that still holds after this past week’s results. Canterbury is the biggest difference, as FHSAA has them as first team out, while LN would have them as the #6 seed. A few more wins should allow them to catch Barron Collier at the least, but right now they do have work to do to get in.

I find Boys 2A almost incomprehensible, with Plant as the #5 seed in FHSAA. 25th in 2A in the state? Serious issue with that. LN has them as the 1st seed. Since Plant was off last week, any movement makes you wonder about methodology. Ft. Myers should not be among the first four out. I fully expect Riverview to hop over Riverdale.

In Girls 1A, Lely has an enormous difference of opinion; but it might not matter since the first four out are all lowly ranked by LN. We’ll see how this week plays out for Northeast and Cardinal Mooney, the closest trailers.

Girls 2A has not seen the end of jockeying, as many of the schools that are currently out having a shot to get in. Riverview and Manatee look better to LN than Mitchell and Lakewood.

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Region 4

Projected Regional rankings if the current rankings are assumed to produce the District champs and 4 At-Large Bids

Region 4Comparison in ClassComparison in Class
Boys 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #FHSAALaxNumbFHSAALaxNumb
#1Saint Andrew’s14#8Gulliver Prep16112820
#2SJP II13#7Amer Heritage-Plantation147112213
#3Amer Heritage-Delray13#6King’s Academy1314281918
#4Belen Jesuit15#5NSU University1515171727
First Four Out: Calv Christ-Ft Laud (14), Oxbridge (13), Pine Crest (14), Cardinal Newman (13)24/27/29/3832/15/16/37
Boys 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Jupiter13#8Boca Raton14353725
#2Western16#7Spanish River145103344
#3St. Thomas15#6Coral Reef16643152
#4Columbus16#5Palmetto1622123024
First Four Out:    Martin County (13), West Boca (15), Stoneman (15), Wellington (14)47/54/57/5917/59/32/43
Girls 1ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Amer Heritage-Delray15#8Key West16111626
#2Amer Heritage-Plant15#7Cardinal Gibbons154101439
#3South Fork13#6Jensen Beach13571112
#4Saint Andrew’s14#5Pine Crest15891015
First Four Out:  SJP II (14), Benjamin (13), NSU University (15), St. Edward’s (13)19/25/32/3321/16/42/23
Girls 2ASeeded District WinnersDistrict #4 At-Large BidsDistrict #
#1Boca Raton14#8Lourdes Academy164124548
#2Jupiter13#7Wellington139164436
#3Stoneman14#6Martin County1314213724
#4St. Thomas15#5Palmetto161553239
First Four Out:   Coral Glades (15), Dwyer (13), Spanish River (14), Seminole Ridge (13)48/56/59/6266/47/58/34

Region 4 is quite up in the air. First, Gulliver is currently slotted as a District-winning #8 seed, so assume District 16 is likely a one-bid district.

Neither Oxbridge nor Pine Crest have made the bracket currently, and they certainly can’t count on the FHSAA rankings to move in their favor easily without wins. Pine Crest has a few last week, so tomorrow’s update should be more favorable. I find LN’s ranking of AH-Plantation at 13 kind of bizarre given how few games they’ve played; that also will be monitored this week.

In Boys 2A, Martin County, first team out, has a huge differential (47 vs 17) while Stoneman is likely in with LN, but not FHSAA. Columbus also looks underrated by FHSAA, but should have no problem making the bracket. District foes Spanish River and Boca Raton are currently 7/8 seeds, so they need to watch out the most. Very possible that it will be a one-bid district, but both certainly can qualify too.

In Girls 1A, Cardinal Gibbons has the biggest disagreement (14 vs 39), so their 7th seed isn’t a lock. One thing to note for them is that they are possibly AH-Delray’s semifinal opponent in that district. Key West will likely be an 8-seed District winner, but given that three of the four teams out (SJP, Benjamin and St Edward’s) are all regarded by LN, so there’s still a lot of mystery to come.

In Girls 2A, St. Thomas being behind Jupiter and Stoneman is not defensible right now. Let’s see how this week’s win over Lake Mary affects things. Fourth team out, Seminole Ridge, could spoil a lot of assumptions too, as LN has them much higher.

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